Agreed, the "alliance" is alittle thin on wo(man) power. Maybe Rick will luck into some heavy weapons. As for the walkers rn't a big part, id imagine the few who manage to survive would be DAMN good at killing zombies. Itd be like u have to play basketball to live. The last few people standing will be able to BALL.

 

Without the trash people they are severely undermanned. Also outgunned as they lost a bunch of guns when the trash people took off and they wasted a lot of ammo.

They also no longer have the element of surprise as Negan now knows all three are fighting together. It would have been a smart tactic IF they killed Negan. But in the end all they managed to do is kill a few saviors, along with losing some of their own.

I would say the trash people will join Negan but I don't think we will see them again until the middle of season 8 when they return as the whisperers.

 

i think that overall the Kingdom and the Hilltop have more fighters, but probably didn't bring them all along at this point. you have to keep your homes defended a little bit at least. regardless, i dont think the size of the forces are too overwhelming that Rick's group wouldn't stand a chance. if they strategize better than the opposition, i think they will be fine with the amount of weapons they now have from Oceanside.

 

It wasn't just the strength of the opposing forces. Part of the strength on Rick's side was that Negan did not know that Hilltop and the Kingdom would be joining the fight against him. He knew he had the trash pile kids on his side, ready to betray Alexandria. From what Negan knew every advantage was in his court.

And he did. It was all going down as Negan planned it, with the one exception, the surprise of Sasha, but he took that in stride.

He didn't lose the advantage until the surprise attack of Hilltop and the Kingdom. That's when his plan fell apart, forcing him to retreat.

 

The 'alliance' has fewer fighters but they are of better quality (ie better motivated for the cause, better bonded with each other,...).
Secondly, the 'alliance' has Dwight as an undercover and even perhaps Eugene will make a significant contribution.
Thirdly, I think the Oceanside women will come to their senses to help Rick.
I can think of these 3 factors, at least.

 

Do we have an idea how many outposts (and their individual strengths) Negan has?

 

Its a bit bigger than 30, but still they are outnumbered by the saviors. There are the 10 people in Rick's core group, plus maybe 15 or more people people at Alexandria that we've seen them training. The group they were training at Hilltop was about 15 people, plus there were a handful more that we saw when Enid when around asking for help. At the Kindgom we've seen groups of as many as 15+ people marching as if in military training, with other people practicing archery and such in the background.

I'd say if they left a minimal amount behind, as they felt needed, to protect the communities, they probably have about 50 to 60 active people that they could bring to a battle. Maybe more. We haven't seen everybody. Even if they have 80, they are still outnumbered by Negan's men, which I'm guessing we are meant to believe still has 150-200+ fighters if you count the people manning outposts.

If they convince Oceanside to fight in S8, they might top 100 strong.

So, as always, it will come down to tactics.

 

The one thing we do know is that every time there has been a firefight between the Saviors and Rick's group, Rick's group has won or forced a retreat. I don't think the Saviors are very good fighters.

 

What cracks me up is they live near DC. Shouldn't there be scores of tanks and Apache helicopters and F-18s and Patriot missile batteries for them to scavenge and really do this war right?

Oh what? Is someone here going to tell me that the average person can't just climb into a fighter jet or an M2 Bradley and operate it with ease? pfffft. Come on! ;-)

 

Perhaps Gregory surprises everyone and gets back with a little army, showing that he can contribute to the community.. At least, this would be a nice surprise.
Or what about Heath? He might return with some help.

Rick's advantage is that they have become very creative on their journey of survival because they have never been an army but always had to fight with what they had, improvising through the situation.
I guess this war will become a very interesting one.

 

Rick and group have some experience herding walkers to their advantage......might come into play in some form or another.

 

One more thing about the Saviors. They have numbers but that us all they have. It is easy to take them by surprise with strategy. Wr all know that if it weren't for those snakes out of the garbage, the Saviors would have been blown to bits and Eugene with them. Yeah they have those outposts and numbers which are intimidating. But they have not shown that they are good fighters in a gun fight. So unless they are ever at full force, they can be beaten.

 

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I wonder about Heath from time to time. Certainly they would have revealed his demise if it had happened and he were to never return, right?

 

I think they should kill him off, didn't he leave to film for one of the new King Kong movies?

 

Easier to kill a one headed dragon than a 3 headed one. All they have to do is get negan

 

Yep i agreed, kill Negan with a well placed bomb or a sniper hit BUT from a viewers perspective/fan of the show perspective it would be boring and bring the whole show to a close.

TWD franchise want a lot more £££/$$$ before this cash cow is put out to pasture!!