To be fair, I said "They HATE Pedophilia" I was not accusing you of supporting it. I may think you are an arrogant douche, but I won't accuse you of being something serious like that.
I am an asshole, but I am not a life ruining asshole.

 

So I should not act on my desire to kick the queen out of Buckingham Palace. Dang.

 

He means dressing up children in provocative ways that then sexualizes them even more to someone with that mindset. It makes children appear to be something that they do not even understand. I agree with him on that. Children should never be dressed that way and taught to mimic behavior like that.

 

What I the hell mean is that what in the world is the point of dressing preschoolers up in sexually enticing outfits and wearing makeup to make them look much older than they actually are? To mean, that's just a big invitation to sexual predators. I have no respect for the parents who pimp out their own children on programs like Toddlers & Tiaras. It's a very obvious attempt at blurring the lines between childhood and adulthood.


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Well then I certainly give two shits about your admonishment. You speak from ignorance. Try reading for comprehension.


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And what does that mean? Please explain, because it certainly seems like you don't know me at all.


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No, but i have an article that will help you.
http://www.theravive.com/therapedia/Histrionic-Personality-Disorder-DSM--5-301.50-(F60.4)

 

You seem to be in a disharmonious place at this time. I will not argue with you further at this point, because it seems you have issues that I cannot address. Perhaps at a later pint, we can discuss things as mature adults might.


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It's disgusting. Showing those shows on TV is reprehensible. In my mind the parents who do that to their children are mentally ill and their children should be removed from them until they get the help they need. It's part of the reason that everyone blamed JonBenet Ramsey's parent was the pictures that showed their daughter dressed up like a that.

 

You just dont get it. Despite that the the DSM defines Pedophillia as a "mental illness" since 1968 (see, i can google too), which btw is being changed to Disorder, your original post was that they should be understood because of it. And this is what i wholeheartedly disagree with. On a legal standpoint, at least in Canada, the "mental illness" excuse is abused to a high extent. Like [MENTION=7785]Neuropyramidal[/MENTION] said, if these people who have this condition recognize it and get help for it to assist in repressing the urges that is one thing. My point is that those who act on it, habitually, giving in to their "condition" and going so far as destroying countless lives of innocent children, well the LAST thing you will ever get from me is "oh poor thing had a mental disorder". Screw that. Telling me to watch a Kevin Bacon movie to understand the mindset of a "reformed" (haha) pedophile was not your shining grace. My ignorance (as you put it), is derived from years watching the legal system fail these innocent victims.

And it is NOT an addiction. It is a condition. And choice playes a HUGE factor. They CAN choose to repress these feeling knowing they are WRONG.

 

If you don't honk it is an addiction, why do pedophiles keep going back to the same very risky and damaging behaviour over and over again? Why don't they just take up a different hobby, like jogging? If it is indeed a "choice" and not an addiction, it should be something that they can control. If they can't control it, it is not a choice.


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I'll agree with that. Are those parents also responsible for the sexualization of children in our culture?


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I would not actually characterize it as an addiction. Sexuality is such a driving force in humans that it is almost impossible to change it once it is imprinted. That's why the recidivism rate is so high. It is virtually impossible, at this time, to cure a pedophile. Maybe someday they'll be able to, but I don't think they can ever be trusted in society. The risk is just too high.

 

It's scary to follow this thought all the way out and see where it ends. What's next? Should a parent that changes their kids diaper in a bathroom be blamed if it triggers a pedophile? What about if a young child is playing outside in their diaper on a hot summer day and a pedo drives by? I certainly don't condone these child pageants. I don't like the message they send either, but to use that as a means to justify a child being touched? Sick. What would that do to the psyche of the child if they not only get raped, but then get told that it's their fault because of the clothes that their parents made them wear. All of this bullshit to try and justify the choices of a sick ****.

 

Well. That is a pretty simple question to answer and if you weren't hell bent on defending pedophiles then you would likely be able to do so. They make a choice to go back. I have sympathy for addict that are caught up in the physiological stages of addiction. Going through withdrawals is hell on earth. That being said, even with the random psychosomatic responses that come from being triggered when being around dope years later, I still think that a relapse is a choice and one I have far less sympathy for. This is coming from a person that suffered many relapses. Those decisions are the ones I kick myself for. Your body doesn't need it at that point. It wants it. Just like a horny pedophile in any case. Just like anyone that wants to get laid.

 

I definitely see it as an illness (or disorder) and not some alternate form of sexual orientation, and I think I am consistent with the DSM in that view. I don't think it should ever be acceptable, any more than rape or bestiality are. All are forms of one person using another against their will and without consent, and with pedophilia it's even worse since the abuse often comes from a "trusted" adult. If pedophiles were obvious, they wouldn't be able to get near their victims. But because the problem would appear to be a malfunctioning brain, it makes the most sense to me to view this condition as a mental illness. By no means does that mean the person gets a free pass or a get out of jail free card; they require constant monitoring for the rest of their lives. That was kind of the point the film The Woodman was trying to make. It is not an easy film to watch, but it tells its story very convincingly.


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One could well argue that sex itself is an addiction, and there are certainly people who are addicted to pornography, for example. However, that is not how we usually think of an addiction, and you have my sympathy, as do all addicts, that are trying to overcome their addiction to any kind of drug or chemical. It takes extreme courage and perseverance to overcome an addiction.

I'm pretty sure I'm addicted to sugar, despite being diabetic. In fact, that's probably how I became diabetic. Much cheaper and more plentiful than Heroin, I see sugar much like a drug. It is a quick fix, instant gratification, pick me upper anti-depressant. I know it's not classed that way (yet), but I sure feel the withdrawal effects of it, much like many people feel the withdrawal effects of caffeine or nicotine. It's an addiction that can be beat, but not without a great deal of effort on the part of the user. I think I have more control over my use of sugar than a Cocajne addict has, but who knows? I might be kidding myself.

Sex is a little different, because it's also part of the human (and animal) procreative drive, biologically speaking. The age of consent may vary by culture or time period, but there is not a lot of misunderstanding that pre-pubescent children are off limits in most cultures. We should not be trying overtly to sexualize them by fashion or beauty pageants or any other means, in my view. We tried to protect our children from that world as much as possible when they were that age. They are aware of it now, of course, as teenagers, but we did our best to shelter while they were little. Influences are everywhere.

Again, please let me be clear: I am not defending pedophiles. I have a hatred towards that take advantage of others who cannot defend themselves. But that has nothing to do with a diagnosis. I am no expert, but I know what I read. The DSM is always being updated, but I think it is the best reference tool currently available for what is or is not a mental illness, disorder, neurosis, psychosis or what have you.


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